TLDR(iwrotemorethandigi): Need ways to improve upon issues as opposed to just complaining.
As our raid group grows, so do our personalities so to speak. Everyone has a different opinion on what is right and wrong, what is fun, and how things should be done.
I appreciate all the effort on both parts.
Rose is trying her best to raid lead, and it’s always stressful controlling 30 people and making sure everything is done correctly.
With that being said, Digi has covered pretty much everything I feel needed to be brought up, and Han has summed it up.
I would however like to touch on some things mentioned (and I apologize as this may be repetitive in the sense that things have already been said) because while we have the issues pointed out we don’t have many solutions offered and I would like to hear what people consider is the way forward when it comes to improving problems.
I find myself always saying you can’t please all the people all the time, and this runs true with the issues currently going on. It comes down to how it is dealt with and that is where the difference will be made.
To begin with, downtime is becoming a joke. I’ve made comments on this very often. We raid 2 nights and of those 2 nights so much time is wasted. Unavoidable things are irrelevant here. It’s more so literally standing around waiting for nothing. There is so much time spent having gossip session going on about unrelated things. If we put as much effort into our problems with wipes and discussions about what we’re doing, as we do with Windows 10 updates I’m sure progressing would be a lot more efficient.
More so on this I’d like to mention some etiquette. Raid starts at 8pm. To me this means we are all in the instance and ready to pull at 8pm. If we could just get together a little earlier, 15 or even 10 minutes earlier this would help a lot. Obviously not everyone can do that but at least for the people who are online we can start clearing trash or whatever. Please come prepared. Have your Seals, food, pots, flasks, runes etc.
I would also like Rose to link videos or write up short strats of how she wishes for us to attempt bosses so that we may read up and be ready to go instead of spending 40 mins explaining things before a fight. We raid 2 nights so that leaves plenty of other days to spend 10 minutes informing ourselves of how things are to be done and allows a quick breakdown before a pull to make sure everyone is on the same page. These can be posted in GMOTD.
I would appreciate some after raid discussion, a debrief if you’d prefer, whether it is on our forums or the Facebook group. This is where input can also be offered from other people.
I do not want to be the fun police but the term fun is relative. (I’m well aware we’re not a hardcore guild but we are still there with the same purpose).
Spending time with your mates slaying some dragons is fun. Not slaying the same dragon for hours isn’t fun. Constantly wiping is how we burn out. Doing the same thing for hours doesn’t always make a person better at it (take note at how we were successful after Han suggested a break on Iskar). It becomes dull. We get tired, bored etc. Mistakes happen more frequently. I am very disappointed with how things were said when most people wanted to take a break from Iskar and make attempts on Xhul. This suggestion was straight up shut down in a way I found very rude, even if this was not intended.
I am also disappointed with the way suggestions are handled in general. It’s completely discouraged and this is not how a raid should be. Everyone should be allowed to offer input if they see a way that things could be improved.
I can straight away see where an issue could arise where the lack of variety and openness in strats can become a problem. If we go to attempt Fel Lord and we don’t have all our mages, we now have to find other people to learn how to block waves and once again it becomes a learning curve. This strat could be avoided. Just because it is thought that people can’t pay attention does not mean that they shouldn’t learn.
On that note of people needing to learn things, we need to adapt to what is happening a lot quicker.
We can’t always rely on specific people because things happen. Be it someone dies in the middle of a fight or someone just can’t make a raid. We need to have other people prepared to fill in whatever role is necessary in whatever particular situation. An example of this would be Enesis offering to assist the mages on Fel Lord when mechanics didn’t abide by the strat.
Xhul was rather messy (I personally like nothing more than things being a massive cluster fuck and somehow it turns out successful). We had so much fire. Fire everywhere. The floor was lava. We only have one person clearing fire – Zug (Hooray). Zug died. But nobody picked up where he left off. Druids are capable of this.
I’m also a huge believer in the Archimonde dream. I’d love some ring upgrades and as it has been said trinkets are very nice too. I feel like this would be very beneficial. Wednesday would be most appropriate because this allows us to knock it out, grab upgrades then smash out our farm bosses and hopefully get through faster and potentially allow us to have some time on progression, thus making Sunday the day of “lots of us got some upgrades maybe we’ll do better”.
This may have been a once off but there was a slight hiccup with loot. A tier piece going to someone who randomly snuck in (Dragnat why you do dis) who will likely not raid with us again was a mistake.
It might also be worth offering up loot to people who may not want to tank/heal/dps right now but would definitely consider a respec if we needed it, instead of DEing stuff.
As Digi said
- At least from what I remember back in the BC days, we used to call people out on fucking up. I'm not for berating people and telling them that they are fucking useless . That's not what we used to do (unless it was jokingly, of course). We used to help that person understand the mechanic, or do their rotation better, or whatever the hell it was that needed improvement. Now however, we sit around saying "everyone" needs to do this, "everyone" needs to do that. That doesn't help the person who probably doesn't even know they fucked up. If we have raiders on progression that aren't pulling the DPS/Heals/Avoidance that they should, then we should be helping them...not just ignoring it. It doesn't need to be abusive or demeaning to that person, they just need a push in the right direction.
Call out people on mistakes, but also own up to your own ones.
I can’t walk around mini bosses, only into them. I get hit by blitz. I fucked up on Archimonde the other night. My positioning was crap. I died, I dragged fire through everyone. It was bad. I’m an idiot.
With everything I have said this is not a personal attack on anyone but rather issues I feel we could work on. I have done everything I’ve mentioned at some stage. I’m equally at fault. We all need to make improvements.
Completely avoiding what would be considered confrontation because of the way things are handled is not the way to go.
Inclusion not exclusion.