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Wikipedia defines Post-Scarcity as:

A hypothetical form of economy or society in which goods, services and information are free, or practically free. This would require an abundance of fundamental resources (matter, energy and intelligence), in conjunction with sophisticated automated systems capable of converting raw materials into finished goods.

I suppose it is one possible outcome of the 3D printer discussion - a society where we have enough everything for humans to live on in peace and harmony.

Here's a TED Talk by Andrew McAfee: Are droids taking our jobs? which touches on how we're getting there through our advances in technology and I thought it was a fantastic watch.

Robots and algorithms are getting good at jobs like building cars, writing articles, translating -- jobs that once required a human. So what will we humans do for work? Andrew McAfee walks through recent labor data to say: We ain't seen nothing yet. But then he steps back to look at big history, and comes up with a surprising and even thrilling view of what comes next.

The very idea of this kind of Utopia (or Dystopias) existing is exciting, and we're moving towards it at a rapid pace. It seems at this point in time, post-scarcity is the ultimate goal of the human race. Isn't everything we do, done to make our lives easier?

When you go to the shops, looking at things comparing them to the most primitive functions

  • We leave our house, a permanent shelter that replaces a tree or cave.
  • We drive to the shops in a car so we don't have to walk and carry our shit, or drag it along by an enslaved, stronger animal like a horse.
  • At the shops we pick up meat and vegetables we didn't grow or kill ourselves.
  • We also buy cereal, bread and diced garlic - highly processed combinations of basic foods prepared by someone or something else.

When you compare our day to day actions with what people did 5 generations ago, this is ludicrous. Yet this seems normal to us.

Computers are the difference, and according to Moore's law (which has apparently been broken, mind you) our technological advances will progress exponentially as discussed in the video.

  • What do you think is the major obstacle in our path? Energy? Greed?
  • What do you think humans would do if we lives in a post-scarcity utopia?
  • What advances do you think are just around the corner?

I wonder what the future has in store for us..
bladearts
The power elite would never go for it. They need money and scarcity to keep the general population in check.

Once you have enough robots to produce goods and gather materials themselves. What purpose do poor uneducated workers serve? You house and feed them but for what purpose? You would have to go full China and institute max child laws to ensure you stay within replenishing amounts and don't go over.

Before a post scarcity civilization could be implemented we would need to deal with population growth. Too many humans is bad for the entire thing to work.

a society where we have enough everything for humans to live on in peace and harmony.


Impossible since humans have too many competing ideologies. There will never be complete peace. Unless this society isolates itself from others. Even then others will want to get what they have and destroy it or take it for themselves.

What do you think humans would do if we lives in a post-scarcity utopia?


Leisure activities, learning, art, and socializing. A post scarcity eliminates the need for a lot of jobs. There will still be some but only for those who wish to rise ahead. Those that wish to achieve political and social power.

This is how I imagine a post scarcity civilization looking.

Isolation from those lower than them.

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What advances do you think are just around the corner?


Genetically engineered Cat Girls. :)
Darkshaunz
The major obstacle to post scarcity by far, is people.

Humanity is the dumbest intelligent lifeform on this planet.

Only we could imagine a world which is bountiful for all of our kind, only to do things to ensure that the exact opposite happens.
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bladearts wrote:
The power elite would never go for it. They need money and scarcity to keep the general population in check.

Once you have enough robots to produce goods and gather materials themselves. What purpose do poor uneducated workers serve? You house and feed them but for what purpose?

You're right in that the government would change, their role and purpose for existing would change. But exactly what is their purpose now? To keep order and progress their country forward? Would that really change or be a problem if money was no longer an issue?

Would we have jobs in this post-scarcity world? I'm sure violence will still exist, but would crime still exist if you could just 3D print yourself whatever you desired?

bladearts wrote:
You would have to go full China and institute max child laws to ensure you stay within replenishing amounts and don't go over.

So assuming we can get over ourselves and all co-exist happily, the biggest obstacle could be overpopulation - which in turn means that we'd have run out of space on the planet. I suppose that is wholly possible, I hadn't thought of that. One would hope that we'd be able to colonise/terraform other planets, or the oceans, or add another layer on top of our cities reminiscent of Deus Ex Human Revolution.

Xant wrote:
This is the kind of shit you discuss when you're high or tripping on acid.

Well to be completely honest this was part of one of the mind blowing realisations I experienced while tripping on magic mushrooms :thumbright:
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