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Shrill
Read the final book. Very disappointed. Especially after the last two books were done so well.

Ok with how Mat's story went. Except Padain Fain. What the hell? Major uber bad guy just got stabbed in half a chapter. Heck he just wandered onto the battlefield and wasn't even kicking ass and taking names when it happened.

Perrin, everything was a bit meh. He just keeps losing fights to Slayer in TAR until he gets the new ability, which he doesn't then actually use to any great effect, but Slayer finally just loses.

Rand, He's a moron who sucks at logic and dooms the world. Well done asshat. You visualised a world without any evil, and from that deduced that this particular evil threat couldn't be killed, even though you and everyone else will happily off a Forsaken for being evil. We know from Aridhol that there are evils of men that are not spawned of the DO, so it's not like he's the source of all evil.

EgweneSo glad she died. It was the best she could have hoped for dying a hero. As an AMrylin she was too power hungry with plans to tear down Aiel and Windfinder society to increase her power base. She would stick with the three oaths even though it meant nobody trusted the tower because they always had to be misleading and mysterious or they would be caught in their lies. For someone who started so revolutionary she ended up a recidivist, so yeah.
At the fields of Merrilor meeting we see how easily Rand manipulates her because she has her eyes set too firmly on herself and her power base and not on the goal. Whatever her goal was with the seals, apart from doing nothing because well, she wants to do nothing.

DemandredSeriously, we send three of the best fighters in a row against him to get chewed up as fodder. It's a nice tactic.
GraendalYou go girl. Most effective Forsaken, her plans with the generals slaughtered the light, plus her zombie army at the end was a winning plan.
and
Didn't Moghedian die at the end of Winter's heart!? Now I need to reread.

BalefireThe anti Balefire weave just makes crystals and closes the cracks? How about reweaving the unravelled parts of teh pattern instead of just making shinies?

AndrolSomeone actually used weaves creatively? Why is everyone else who can channel so retarded?

The Shite TowerSo suddenly they know weaves for fighting battles even though Verin was not allowing them to learn such weaves way back when and even though the tower frowns on the very idea of combat. The Seanchan kicked their asses because they had no attack or defense ability. But suddenly they know how to fight because that is what the story required. This is all part of why Egwene is a fail Amrylin because she should have addressed this stuff.

I do like how Callandor and the flaw were worked into it.
retsgip
Can't bring myself to read any of the "new" books. I like Brandon Sanderson but it took so long to complete the series and I forget most of what happend to the point that I'm discouraged. I don't want to re-read all 50,000 pages and if I skipped over them via wiki, I might as well just finish off the other books the same way.
Shrill
No I thoroughly recommend the first two new books. They were full of mindless violence, kickass fight scenes and things that actually made sense.

In fairness to Jordan though, the last book he had written had picked up the pace and started to lean in that direction, with everything that went down in Mats escape from Seanchan lands. Sanderson just kept it rolling.
Remedial
Poor Shrill no one wanted to reply.

Just finished reading the final book, Sanderson did a great job. I barely remembered a lot of what happened in books 4-10 but that didn't really effect it too much I don't think. The final battle was well done and felt almost as epic as it should have, the chapter for the final battle was like 250 pages or something ridiculous though.

The only thing I didn't like in the book was the lack of after the battle story.

The battle ends and the winners win which is what was expected and done well, but then it just ends, don't get to find out what the world is actually like a few years down the track despite half of the last battle being a battle of wills between Rand and The Dark Lord over what the outcome of the battle would mean a few years down the track.
hekate
Finally finished this last night - it's been keeping me up way past bedtime all week, and because I'm a sucker for sad stuff, once people starting dying in a big way I stopped taking it work to read at lunchtimes.
I've enjoyed the last couple of books with Brandon Sanderson finishing things up. It was a nice change of pace after the meandering of RJ's last few books (Book 10, I'm looking at you). Shit was happening, people were dying, the last battle was finally imminent.
This book took that to a whole new level, but I think it suited the events. With everything going on, this book wasn't the place for chapters of description about one event/person.

Shrill wrote:
Rand, He's a moron who sucks at logic and dooms the world. Well done asshat. You visualised a world without any evil, and from that deduced that this particular evil threat couldn't be killed, even though you and everyone else will happily off a Forsaken for being evil. We know from Aridhol that there are evils of men that are not spawned of the DO, so it's not like he's the source of all evil.


But that's the point - a world with no shadow would be as bad in its own way as a world without light. The Dark One has no power unless people choose to give it to him. (And it's the bad/sad experiences that make people who they are as much as the good/happy ones.) It's not about killing the Dark One - it's about achieving balance so that people can choose for themselves.
I think Logain was the exemplar of this. He could have taken the sa'angreal and had massive power, but chose to help the plebs, and in doing so fulfilled the 'greatness' that Min had seen.
I quote Dumbledore 'It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.'


Shrill wrote:
Demandred
Seriously, we send three of the best fighters in a row against him to get chewed up as fodder. It's a nice tactic.


The Demandred/Sharans thing was a little bit deus ex machina for me: Oh - by the way I've been hiding over here in this secret country building an army, lol!
Granted I'd always suspected the Sharans would have to come into play at some stage - after all, if the struggle against the Shadow was really one that would affect the 'world' then they had to have been affected too.


Remedial wrote:
The only thing I didn't like in the book was the lack of after the battle story.

The battle ends and the winners win which is what was expected and done well, but then it just ends, don't get to find out what the world is actually like a few years down the track despite half of the last battle being a battle of wills between Rand and The Dark Lord over what the outcome of the battle would mean a few years down the track.


Does it really need it though? (And I'm thinking here of the god-awful epilogue to the Harry Potter series as well.) It's all going to happen again eventually anyway. I think there are enough hints in the way things were tied up to take a pretty good stab at what's going to happen to people.
Remedial
HEkate wrote:
Does it really need it though


No it doesn't, but I want it anyway

Even knowing how cringworthy both the old potter ending to Harry Potter and the sail away ending to LoTR was where it drags on with the after story, I still want it.
Flap
Couldn't find any other thread but I've just started reading this series, up to Th Great Hunt. Really liking it, keeping me entertained whilst I have nothing else to do!
retsgip
I stopped around book 10 when he passed away. I should pick up the last two books. They're great though. I love the first book and reread it every once in awhile.
hekate
retsgip wrote:
I stopped around book 10 when he passed away. I should pick up the last two books. They're great though. I love the first book and reread it every once in awhile.

Make that the last four books
Docilus
The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan is one of the most popular book series of all time. You’d think the first episode of a TV version would air with massive fanfare… so why did the pilot air in the middle of the night instead?



Bit strange.

Much as you might expect from an all-but-unannounced pilot running during the wee hours of the night, it was abysmal. The CGI during the opening exposition sequence recalls the opening to Peter Jackson’s Lord Of The Rings trilogy run through a PlayStation 2; the performances are histrionic.



Robert Jordan’s Estate Does Not Approve of the Wheel of Time Pilot
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